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Veers Belvar
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Posted - 2015.01.14 12:33:26 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Sorry, we're at war with them too.  @Posadas : Why dont you join the corp Veers is in ? You would fit in perfectly. 
Decent advice...last i recall i smashed marmite during our war and tora wailed about it all over the forums. Well played, sir. |

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Posted - 2015.01.15 03:27:02 -
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Fybs wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:Sorry, we're at war with them too.  @Posadas : Why dont you join the corp Veers is in ? You would fit in perfectly.  Decent advice...last i recall i smashed marmite during our war and tora wailed about it all over the forums. Well played, sir. Damn I completely forgot you smashed us! Can you do me a favour veers and mail me the kills you got and the war reports because iv seemed to have misplaced them?
It was an easy 30-1 victory. Marmite turns out to be a paper tiger. |

Veers Belvar
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Posted - 2015.01.15 05:04:14 -
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Zepher Helen Hawat wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
It was an easy 30-1 victory. Marmite turns out to be a paper tiger.
How do you come by these numbers? Please break it down for us, or are you just pulling it out of your @#$?
http://www.minerbumping.com/2012/09/experimental-fun-times-corp-wins-its.html |

Veers Belvar
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Posted - 2015.01.19 01:08:09 -
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Honestly, the problem here is joining a corp in highsec. Current mechanics including wars and awoxxing make them worthless. Just stick to NPC and 1 man corps. |

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Posted - 2015.01.19 01:59:46 -
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Godfrey Silvarna wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Honestly, the problem here is joining a corp in highsec. Current mechanics including wars and awoxxing make them worthless. Just stick to NPC and 1 man corps. The OP was in a corp in Nullsec. You seem to be so hellbent on pushing your personal agenda that you don't even bother to read what the thread is about.
OP was in a war and got blown up in highsec. If you fly in highsec....don't be in a real player corp. It's so simple that even you should be able to grasp it. |

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Posted - 2015.01.19 16:21:56 -
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Catalytic morphisis wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Godfrey Silvarna wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Honestly, the problem here is joining a corp in highsec. Current mechanics including wars and awoxxing make them worthless. Just stick to NPC and 1 man corps. The OP was in a corp in Nullsec. You seem to be so hellbent on pushing your personal agenda that you don't even bother to read what the thread is about. OP was in a war and got blown up in highsec. If you fly in highsec....don't be in a real player corp. It's so simple that even you should be able to grasp it. Here he is again, Throwing in the bullshit "Advice" Joining a Player corp is not a scary or stupid thing to do in High sec, Its the use of initiative and common sense that people lack that make them think "I'll join the NPC Corp, Player corps are dangerous" And cause people to take stupid losses, Just play smart and Hi sec is perfectly fine for people in a Player corp
Too bad ccp disagrees with you and thinks that being in an npc corp is the only rational choice in highsec |

Veers Belvar
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Posted - 2015.01.20 02:11:46 -
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Catalytic morphisis wrote:
You honestly think you can speak for CCP? Give me a single piece of CCP documentation which states any slight hint at all to this, Otherwise stop spouting absolute ****
First thing is to calm down dude....new order agents should not lose their cool. Here is CCP Fozzie in the CSM 9 minutes "CCP Fozzie - In a game where it is important to get people to interact with other people we have a situation where if your ISK is not made from bounties and you do not need the extra features of a corporation that the optimum choice in all circumstances is not to play with other people. We don't want it to be this way."
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM9Summer_Minutes_2014.pdf
This was in reference to Awoxxing...but the same applies to wars...they make it better to simply be in a 1 man/npc corp, and discourage player interaction. They are, quite simply, bad for the game. In past CSM minutes many have advocated getting rid of wardeccs entirely. Feel free to do some of your own research.
I am happy to accept your apology, sir.
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Veers Belvar
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Posted - 2015.01.20 02:12:59 -
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Rein Chelien wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Godfrey Silvarna wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Honestly, the problem here is joining a corp in highsec. Current mechanics including wars and awoxxing make them worthless. Just stick to NPC and 1 man corps. The OP was in a corp in Nullsec. You seem to be so hellbent on pushing your personal agenda that you don't even bother to read what the thread is about. OP was in a war and got blown up in highsec. If you fly in highsec....don't be in a real player corp. It's so simple that even you should be able to grasp it. Nice attitude there: it's the game mechanics that made me do it! If you don't want to be blown up, EVE is the wrong game for you. Besides, there are worse things than getting blown up. Paying tax to the NPC corp will really add up over time and the only utility that comes from it is protection from wardeccing. Instead of occasionally taking a loss while under a wardec (maybe) you're taking a loss continually in taxes. Do the math. It's not particularly difficult to deal with wardecs: Surviving Wardecs. Seriously, Veers just wants you to ignore highsec corps because that way his CODE main has an easier target.
You can easily avoid the taxes by just rolling a 1 man corp in the face of wardeccs. I do this...no taxes and no wars...it is currently the optimal highsec pve setup...and that shows broken mechanics.
I have no main in code and have never suicide ganked anyone. |

Veers Belvar
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Posted - 2015.01.21 05:43:40 -
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Rein Chelien wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Catalytic morphisis wrote:
You honestly think you can speak for CCP? Give me a single piece of CCP documentation which states any slight hint at all to this, Otherwise stop spouting absolute ****
First thing is to calm down dude....new order agents should not lose their cool. Here is CCP Fozzie in the CSM 9 minutes "CCP Fozzie - In a game where it is important to get people to interact with other people we have a situation where if your ISK is not made from bounties and you do not need the extra features of a corporation that the optimum choice in all circumstances is not to play with other people. We don't want it to be this way." http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM9Summer_Minutes_2014.pdfThis was in reference to Awoxxing...but the same applies to wars...they make it better to simply be in a 1 man/npc corp, and discourage player interaction. They are, quite simply, bad for the game. In past CSM minutes many have advocated getting rid of wardeccs entirely. Feel free to do some of your own research. Awoxxing and wars are completely different things. There are several flaws here: - When I was in a 1 man corp, I interacted with nobody else in the game. It was 24x7 PVE grind and it was boring as hell. - Most corps are not created principally to attract wardecs, but to avoid taxes and share resources. - When you join a multi-person corp, you are by definition increasing the interactions that you have with other players. - When your corp is decc'ed you are by definition increasing the interactions that you have with other players. Have you ever actually stayed under a wardec for any length of time Veers?
Why on earth would I stay in a wardecc? If I wanted PvP I'd go to lowsec.
All your decc stuff is cute, but fundamentally a lot of people in highsec don't want to engage in PvP. They are there to make isk doing collaborative PvE. And all the wardecc mechanics do is get them to sit in 1 man or NPC corps, which causes even less social interaction. The system is hopelessly broken...and highsec wars are a complete failure.
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Veers Belvar
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Posted - 2015.01.21 05:45:23 -
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Kane Ceres wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:Rein Chelien wrote: Awoxxing and wars are completely different things. There are several flaws here:
- When I was in a 1 man corp, I interacted with nobody else in the game. It was 24x7 PVE grind and it was boring as hell. - Most corps are not created principally to attract wardecs, but to avoid taxes and share resources. - When you join a multi-person corp, you are by definition increasing the interactions that you have with other players. - When your corp is decc'ed you are by definition increasing the interactions that you have with other players.
Have you ever actually stayed under a wardec for any length of time Veers?
No, he doesn't believe in it. He thinks he should be allowed to make isk safely without risk or consequence. He thinks that CCP should be responsible for the safety of his and every carebears ship. They should make creating a corp cost more than a one week war dec. At least that way it would cost the war dec evaders like Veers actually have to pay a little cash when they are trying to hide from PVP.
And then what? People would just do a cost benefit analysis...and if the cost of rolling corps got high enough they would just eat the 11% npc corp taxes. Big accomplishment. |
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Veers Belvar
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Posted - 2015.02.22 07:41:58 -
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
They really are not. How are you determining this? Whatever your sample size is it is small when compared to the amount of wardecs that occur in highsec.
There are In fact corps in highsec that brawl with other highsec corps for resources. It happens more often than you may think. There are other uses too like wormhole corps that wardec each other to limit their ability to restock and organize through highsec.
Not sure what you are trying to say. Are there people who want to PvP in highsec? Sure. But there are masses of people who have no interest in that, and there is no reason for game mechanics to force them into it through broken and one sided wars. |

Veers Belvar
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Posted - 2015.02.22 18:38:38 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Sooo...people want to play a PvP based game without being forced to engage in PvP? That's one of the most moronic arguments I've seen in a while.
By the way, are you the pastey guy that wears funny hats?
People who CHOOSE to play in highsec, where ILLEGAL aggression is met with a law enforcement response, are looking to enjoy the PvE part of Eve, and not engage in direct ship to ship combat. If you WANT PvP GO to NULLSEC. Fact is a lot of our "elite PvP" players fear actual low/null PvP, and just want an easy slaughter of PvE players.
And not, I'm not pastey, nor do I wear hats. |

Veers Belvar
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Posted - 2015.02.22 23:42:19 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:If you WANT PvP GO to NULLSEC Why?
Because CCP created different parts of the game for different styles of gameplay. Nullsec was created for those who want consequence free PvP. Highsec was created for those who want law & order, a police force, and a civilized society. Why does the entire game need to revolve around your desire for consequence free pew pew? |

Veers Belvar
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Posted - 2015.02.23 00:10:31 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Rookie systems are the area CCP created to insulate people from player predators. They make up about 1% of highsec.
Confirming that CONCORD and faction police are restricted to rookie systems.
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Veers Belvar
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Posted - 2015.02.23 00:38:51 -
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Dirk Magnum wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Rookie systems are the area CCP created to insulate people from player predators. They make up about 1% of highsec. Confirming that CONCORD and faction police are restricted to rookie systems.  Can you please stop pretending that CCP intends for highsec to be a PvP-free zone? It isn't good trolling.
PvP free? No. Significantly PvP restricted with serious consequences for law breaks and infallible space police who vaporize all criminals without fail in the span of 5-25 seconds? Absolutely. |

Veers Belvar
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Posted - 2015.02.23 00:57:22 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Well, if you're not the pastey funny hat guy then I know someone who may want to be your new butt buddy. Bring wet naps though; he also looks kinda sticky.
...and there is no "PvE" part of eve. Just different forms of isk generation that are affected by the risk/reward of different levels of security. None of those security levels are completely safe and never will be (at least until the CEOs at CCP decide it's time to pull the plug and sail the golden parachute to a warmer climate).
Real mature...lemme guess...you are affiliated with CODE?
And there certainly is PvE in Eve. The fact that you can make isk killing rats doesn't make that PvP anymore than working at Mcdonalds for minimum wage is a form of PvP against everyone else in the world. The fact that someone can come and commit a crime against you doesn't change the fact that your activity is against the computer program, and not against other live players. Until a third party intervenes you shooting rats is 100% PvE, as it should be - some of us play Eve for that, not for the pew pew. Deal with it. |

Veers Belvar
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Posted - 2015.02.23 01:27:07 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Well, if you're not the pastey funny hat guy then I know someone who may want to be your new butt buddy. Bring wet naps though; he also looks kinda sticky.
...and there is no "PvE" part of eve. Just different forms of isk generation that are affected by the risk/reward of different levels of security. None of those security levels are completely safe and never will be (at least until the CEOs at CCP decide it's time to pull the plug and sail the golden parachute to a warmer climate).
Real mature...lemme guess...you are affiliated with CODE? And there certainly is PvE in Eve. The fact that you can make isk killing rats doesn't make that PvP anymore than working at Mcdonalds for minimum wage is a form of PvP against everyone else in the world. The fact that someone can come and commit a crime against you doesn't change the fact that your activity is against the computer program, and not against other live players. Until a third party intervenes you shooting rats is 100% PvE, as it should be - some of us play Eve for that, not for the pew pew. Deal with it. Did you just use McDonalds as a real life example of EvE pvp? So you work at McDonalds...please continue. Did you also know an anagram for your name is Braver Elves (maybe a subconscious hint that you should change your man-baby mentality).
I was trying to demonstrate to you that activities that have an unintended incidental impact on other people are not properly classified as "PvP." You didn't get it.
And I'm the bravest man you will ever meet. Bravery is standing firm on your principles, and practicing stoic self control...not pew pewing pathetic miners and haulers in highsec. |

Veers Belvar
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Posted - 2015.02.24 05:58:35 -
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Chocolate Mooses wrote:
wait, wut? please show us some dev posts and quotes that show what high-sec and null were "created" for.
[citations needed]
the problem still remains that CCP allows ganking, scamming, awoxing, cheating, backstabbing, spying, etc as a 100% legit tactic.....and no one ever said that highsec has anything to do with your ideas of "law & order, a police force, and a civilized society" you're again as usual confusing game mechanics with your personal moral cyber bushido that you have no ability to enforce.
please provide examples of where CCP has stated that high-sec was created for the reasons you seem to think. if CCP wanted highsec to be be anything other then what is is, they would change it.
if you want your "law & order, a police force, and a civilized society" perhaps you should stop shooting red boxes and endlessily whinging about about game mechanics and gather your friends corp mates and alliance and make it happen. you are able to form a fleet and enforce your will and ideas about what high-sec was "created for" over a single system, right? start there.. you know, create content besides whinging on the forums and fail trolling.
oh wait.... that would involve a break from shooting red boxes, spamming the minerbumping comments section, and selfprociaming as such a huge amazing troll while trying as hard as you possibly can to derail every single conversation ever posted due to grrr goons grrr code grrrr eve is not wow and someone got in the way of someone shooting a red box or a rock in this game that allows players to get in the way of those shooting a red box or a rock.
it's cool, veers. we'll wait for anything from you but fail trolling and you using that ivy league education to continue telling us about what high-sec was"created" for. we all know no amount of logic will ever get though to you until you finally earn your fail troll forum ban. you have to be getting close now mate, keep it coming.
Oh dear...not understanding the purpose of the infallible space police. Apologies that you favor criminal conduct, but, much like in real life, there are real consequences for breaking the law. CCP is changing highsec as we speak - awoxxing is gonzo...and I'm confident that non-consensual wars are soon to follow.
I have no need to "create content." I'm happy to play with people, not against them.
Glad to see code is now so helpless that all they can do is hope I get banned. So much for "elite PvP." And cool shades, bro.
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Veers Belvar
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Posted - 2015.02.25 03:48:38 -
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admiral root wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:I have no need to "create content." I'm happy to play with people, not against them. Well, not to let the facts get in the way of a good story, but when you work with people you're working against everyone else.
nuts
Working with others to kill npcs isnt working against anyone. |
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